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Speed of Gravity is 9x1016 meters per second.
Those large numbers, which others have mentioned below are, as Tony Bermanseder stated, phase velocity guesses such as the in-out wave, scalar wave resonances of Dr. Milo Wolff
The speed of gravity is NOT a phase velocity.
The speed of gravity is 9x1016 meters per second. This is much lower than a phase velocity and it is NOT a guess.
A velocity of 9x1016 meters per second is an almost instantaneous velocity that is well within the parameters of what Yale University, many other universities and Van Flandern are telling you.
A velocity of 9x1016 meters per second is not attainable here, nor does it exist here, in our reference frame because it is above the speed of light.
And a caveat from Wheeler and Feynman that you will NEVER be able to measure this velocity directly in our reference frame here because it is in a different (quark) dimension from ours here.
But even though you cannot measure it directly here you can mathematically derive it providing you do NOT violate the parameters of the math you are using.
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--- In TheoryOfEverything@yahoogroups.com, "Hossein Javadi" <javadi_hossein@h...> wrote:
> Dear Carl
>
> Greetings;
> Thank you for your reply.
> < I am not knowledgeable enough to comment on the details of what you wrote, concluding V = ~~~10^28meters/sec. nor what Tony B. posted concluding a speed of V = ~~~10^56meters/sec.>
>
> These numbers for speed of gravity are very large, how we can shows what correct is?
> I used Plank's time and radius of atom for that, and DEar Tony have used antherway.
> However, all these show the speed of gravity is very large of Relativity shows.
>
> Sincerely
> Hossein Javadi
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: TONY BERMANSEDER
> To: 4DWorldx@yahoogroups.com ; InfoPhysics@yahoogroups.com ; npa_dissidents@yahoogroups.com ; kiarashniknejad@yahoogroups.com ; tapten@yahoogroups.com ; theoretical_physics@yahoogroups.com ; TheoryOfEverything@yahoogroups.com ; time-space2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 8:28 AM
> Subject: [Theoretical_Physics] Hossein Javadi's CPH theory and the speed of gravity
>
>
> Dear Tony Bermanseder
>
> Greetings
> Thank you for your reply.
> I do not claim my calculation is correct.
> But I clain the speed of graviton is greater than c.
> It ishow a method only, and maybe Plank's time is not a good chosen.
> Also, I will not say 4.8x10^56 m/s it is incorrect, because no one exprimented it.
> All of these are guess, only.
>
> Sincerely
> Hossein Javadi
>
> Dear Hossein!
>
> Thank you for your reply.
> But you are missing the point here.
> I am not in any way critisizing your CPH theory, many parts of it show good potential.
> Where you are mistaken is in some elementary propositions as to how CPH can represent reality.
>
> You calculate the speed of gravity (using the ElectronRadius), as of the order of 10^-15m/5x10^-44s ~2x10^28 m/s or ~10^20c.
>
> This calculation is qualitatively feasible, but internally INCONSISTENT, because of the definitions of the Planck-Scale.
>
> Now using the de Broglie phase-inflation scenario, as a modification of the primary proposal of Alan Guth, is INTERNALLY CONSISTENT in describing the temperature tunnelling of the Higgs scalar temperature field from a higher potentialas given by the superbranes to a lower potential as given by the Weyl-Geodesic and the Penrose Weyl-Nullification hypothesis.
>
> So you are not in any academic position to equate the CPH-proposal to the de Broglie inflation hypothesis.
> True, both are not experimentally verified to the satisfaction of all, but the scientific data base obtained by WMAP, BOOMERANG and COBE are all indicative and supportive of the flatness proposals of the modified Guth inflation scenario and associated parameters.
>
> So 'my' definition for the de Broglie phase-speed rests on solid experimentally verified ground conceptually; a phase speed of the order indicated is not in dispute and relates to particular boundary conditions for the 'false vacuum' causative for the quantum tunneling.
>
> A number of models, such as the ekpyrotic universe of Turok and Steinhardt; the Loop-Quantum-Gravity of Smolin and the Holographic model of Susskind, all are attempting to find the DETAILS for this inflationary mechanism.
> As this mechanism is elementary for the scalar Higgs Temperature Field; any potential and proposed theory engaging this Higgs Field, must necessarily involve the appropriate boundary parameters and initial conditions of the same.
>
> This your CPH theory attempts to do.
>
> I have simply pointed out to you, that your formalism requires a clear definition for those beforesaid boundary conditions to have any hope of succeeding to describe physical reality as it is measured and observed.
>
> As indicated to you before; the CPH quanta are truly subquanta from the subtimespace realm.
> So you should leave the 'vacuum' behind and study about the substratum for the CPH.
> This CPH substratum is one defined in colourcharge or magnetocharge; also known as the ASYMPTOTIC CONFINEMENT, which individuated quark wavequanta experience and so subject to the superforce, unifying the so called four fundamental force interactions.
>
> So CPH theory must come to terms with what those colourcharges, as derivatives from the magnetic monopole as superstring class IIB really are, before any progress can be made.
> This concept is beautifully illustrated on your CPH homepage.
> It is a loss for science, that you personally seem to be unable or unwilling to find the true cosmic foundation of the CPH in colourcharges.
>
> Tony B.
>
>
>
> What I have commended you on, was, that the ratio of the de Broglie phasespeed to c^2 would actually approximate your 'internally inconsistent' calculation in 4.8x10^56m/s/c^2 ~5.4x10^39
> ;.
>
> Love from the DragonHeart!
>
> As a mathematical physicist, I also study ancient scrolls and the signature can be evaluated on a number of levels; from childishly naive to profoundly esoteric---Tony Whynot, Unicorn of SophiaGnosis !
>
> ARMAGEDDON=DRAGONMADE=ANDROMEDAG=MARRY7=GODNAMEDRA=82 =666+1=1+2+3+...34+35+36+1=1+2.2+3.3+5.5+7.7+11.11+13.13+17.17
>
> http://au.msnusers.com/quantumrelativity
>
--- In TheoryOfEverything@yahoogroups.com, "Hossein Javadi"
<javadi_hossein@h...> wrote:
> Dear Zeus
>
> Greetings;
> Thank you for your reply.
> I agree with about we cannot meassure the speed of gravity directly.
> But let me know how you caculated 9^10x16 m/s?
>
> Sincerely
> Hossein Javadi
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